Ideal Model and Loading Effect - 91.2.1 | 91. Feedback system (Part-B) | Analog Electronic Circuits - Vol 4
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Understanding Feedback System Configurations

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Today we’re going to discuss the different configurations of feedback systems. Can anyone tell me what a feedback system is?

Student 1
Student 1

Isn't it when the output of a system is fed back into the input?

Teacher
Teacher

Exactly! Feedback systems can be categorized based on how they sample and mix signals. For instance, in voltage feedback configurations, we often deal with output and input as voltage signals.

Student 2
Student 2

What about current feedback systems?

Teacher
Teacher

Great question! In current feedback systems, both the input and output signals are currents. This distinction is crucial as it affects how we handle loading effects in our models. Remember, voltage signals typically require voltage samplers and mixers, whereas current signals require current samplers and mixers!

Student 3
Student 3

Can you give us an acronym to remember these configurations?

Teacher
Teacher

Sure! You can use 'V^2 C^2' for Voltage Feedback: Voltage Sampling and Voltage Mixing, and 'C^2 V^2' for Current Feedback: Current Sampling and Voltage Mixing.

Teacher
Teacher

To summarize, feedback systems can either be voltage or current-based, affecting how we define the inputs and outputs.

Loading Effects in Feedback Systems

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Now, let's delve into loading effects. Who can explain what loading effects mean in this context?

Student 4
Student 4

I think it's the impact of the feedback on the overall system performance.

Teacher
Teacher

Exactly! Loading effects can significantly alter the performance of our circuits. We ideally assume infinite resistance at inputs and zero resistance at outputs to negate these effects.

Student 1
Student 1

How do we model that?

Teacher
Teacher

We simplify our models by assuming the input resistance of feedback pathways is infinite, while the resistance of output pathways is zero. This helps us avoid any reduction in the signal's integrity, a concept we call 'ideal conditions.'

Student 2
Student 2

So the ideal model avoids loading effects by assuming certain resistance values?

Teacher
Teacher

Correct! This modeling is vital in circuit design as it allows us to predict how the system behaves without the degrading influence of loading effects.

Applications of Ideal Models

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Having understood the models, let's discuss their applications. How do these ideal feedback models impact real-world circuit designs?

Student 3
Student 3

I think they help engineers design circuits with predictable behaviors.

Teacher
Teacher

Exactly! Engineers define performance metrics using these models, ensuring designs function correctly under ideal conditions. It helps identify potential loading effects early in the design process.

Student 4
Student 4

Can we see an example in real circuits?

Teacher
Teacher

Absolutely! Consider operational amplifiers. The ideal op-amp is designed with infinite differential input resistance and zero output resistance to maximize transfer of signal without loss.

Teacher
Teacher

To summarize, ideal models serve as a baseline for understanding and developing effective circuit designs, ensuring minimal distortion and loading effects.

Introduction & Overview

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Quick Overview

This section covers the ideal model for feedback systems in analog electronic circuits, emphasizing configurations, loading effects, and their implications on signal processing.

Standard

In this section, the ideal configurations of feedback systems are discussed, focusing on voltage and current feedback scenarios, the significance of loading effects, and how ideal conditions are modeled to facilitate accurate signal processing in electronic circuits.

Detailed

This section provides an in-depth exploration of the ideal models for feedback systems in analog electronic circuits. It explains various configurations used in feedback systems, detailing two primary types: voltage feedback and current feedback systems. Each type incorporates important parameters such as input and output resistances that significantly influence the loading effect on the system. The discussions highlight the ideal assumptions regarding infinite resistance and zero resistance to model an environment where loading effects are negligible. Additionally, the implications of the feedback mechanisms on system performance are examined, demonstrating how different configurations can be labeled based on their sampling and mixing principles.

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Introduction to the Ideal Model and Loading Effect

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In this ideal model while you are say tapping or sampling the signal from the output port we assume that there is no loading effect.

Detailed Explanation

In the ideal model of an electronic circuit, when we sample or tap into the output signal, we assume that the act of sampling does not affect the output signal itself. This is referred to as no loading effect. In practical scenarios, when we connect a device to measure a signal, we risk changing the signal we are trying to measure due to the resistance or impedance of the measuring device. However, in an ideal model, we assume that the resistance of the measurement device is infinitely high, hence it does not draw any current from the output. This allows us to effectively observe the output voltage without disturbance.

Examples & Analogies

Think of a water tank with a tap. If you open the tap slowly, the water flows out smoothly without disturbance to the water level in the tank. This is akin to the ideal model. However, if you connect a hose that has a small opening (high impedance), it would draw water from the tank changing the water level significantly. In the ideal model, we imagine a scenario where the hose has an infinitely large opening so that it does not affect the tank's water level.

Resistance Values in the Ideal Model

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We assumed that the resistance here it is ∞. So, I am keeping this is open so, R it is ∞. On the other hand, output resistance here is equal to 0.

Detailed Explanation

In the ideal model of an electronic circuit, several conditions about resistance are defined to simplify calculations and maintain the integrity of the output signal. One key assumption is that the input resistance (R) of the feedback network is considered to be infinite. This means the impedance is so high that it draws no current from the source, ensuring that the sampling does not affect what we are trying to measure. On the other hand, the output resistance is assumed to be zero. This condition allows maximum voltage transfer from the feedback network to the next stage of the circuit, without losing any voltage due to resistance.

Examples & Analogies

Imagine an idealized scenario where a teacher is giving a lecture in a classroom. If the students (the feedback) are attentive (infinite resistance), they absorb all the information without interrupting (no loading effect). The teacher’s voice (output voltage) carries clearly with no distractions, representing an ideal scenario in circuit theory. If the students were instead to start talking or becoming disruptive (high output resistance), the teacher's voice would be drowned out, which directly relates to loading effects in electrical circuits.

Voltage Relationships in Feedback Systems

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So, the internally developed voltage it is Ξ²v . So, I should say v = Ξ²v .

Detailed Explanation

In feedback systems, the output voltage (v) can be expressed as the product of a constant (Ξ²) and the primary input voltage (v). Here, Ξ² represents the feedback factor which is a gain factor that dictates how much of the output signal is fed back into the input. This relationship helps in analyzing the behavior of feedback in the circuit and how the output voltage is influenced by the feedback.

Examples & Analogies

Consider a feedback loop in a public speaking context where a speaker adjusts their volume based on the audience's reactions. If the audience reacts positively, the speaker increases their volume proportionally (Ξ²), ensuring the message is communicated effectively. This dynamic relationship can be analogized with the feedback systems in circuits where input changes based on the output.

Conclusion on Configuration Naming

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So, we may say that shunt sampling and voltage mixing feedback system.

Detailed Explanation

In summarizing feedback system configurations, terminology is essential for understanding how systems are built. In this context, shunt sampling refers to a feedback connection type where the feedback is taken in a parallel manner, while voltage mixing indicates that the voltage inputs are connected in series. This specific configuration compactly describes how signals flow through the system and establishes a basis for understanding more complex circuits.

Examples & Analogies

Think of an orchestra. The conductor (feedback system) might choose to amplify (mix) sounds from different instruments (voltage sources) according to the audience's reaction. The way he gathers sounds (shunt sampling) influences the overall performance. By understanding how different instruments are combined, we can better appreciate the music being played. Similarly, understanding circuit configurations aids in modifying and designing electronic systems effectively.

Definitions & Key Concepts

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Key Concepts

  • Feedback Configurations: Includes voltage and current feedback systems.

  • Loading Effect: The impact of resistance on signal integrity.

  • Ideal Model: Assumes infinite input resistance and zero output resistance.

Examples & Real-Life Applications

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Examples

  • In a voltage feedback system, ideal assumptions allow for accurate voltage transfer without loading effects.

  • An operational amplifier demonstrates ideal feedback characteristics by having infinite input resistance.

Memory Aids

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🎡 Rhymes Time

  • For feedback, let it be clear, load effects cause signal fear, keep input high, output low, and everything will smoothly flow.

πŸ“– Fascinating Stories

  • Imagine a perfect catapult (feedback system) that throws balls (signals) perfectly without losing any power. The secret lies in not letting anything slow it down (effect of loading).

🧠 Other Memory Gems

  • Use 'VIP' to remember: Voltage Input (infinite resistance) and Power Output (zero resistance).

🎯 Super Acronyms

NIV

  • No Input Voltage resistance and Ideal Output Voltage.

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Glossary of Terms

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  • Term: Feedback System

    Definition:

    A system where a portion of the output signal is fed back to the input.

  • Term: Loading Effect

    Definition:

    The impact on the output signal of a circuit due to input and output resistances.

  • Term: Ideal Model

    Definition:

    A theoretical framework that assumes infinite input resistance and zero output resistance to minimize loading effects.