Analog Electronic Circuits - 96.1 | 96. Effect of feedback on frequency response (Part-B) | Analog Electronic Circuits - Vol 4
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Introduction to Pole Locations in Feedback Systems

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Teacher
Teacher

Today we discuss the importance of poles in feedback systems. Can anyone tell me what a pole is?

Student 1
Student 1

Isn't a pole a value in the s-domain that affects circuit behavior?

Teacher
Teacher

Absolutely! Poles determine the stability and frequency response of the system. When poles are located in the left half-plane, the system is stable.

Student 2
Student 2

What happens if the poles are close together?

Teacher
Teacher

Good question! When poles are close, it can lead to complex conjugate pairs, which affects system behavior significantly.

Teacher
Teacher

Let’s remember this with the acronym STABLE: S for 'S' domain, T for 'Transfer function', A for 'Amplifier', B for 'Bode plot', L for 'Left half-plane', and E for 'Effects on behavior'.

Student 3
Student 3

Can you explain what a Bode plot is next?

Teacher
Teacher

Sure! A Bode plot is a graphical representation of a system's frequency response, showing gain and phase against frequency.

Student 4
Student 4

So it helps to visualize how feedback affects the circuit?

Teacher
Teacher

Exactly! Let's summarize: Poles determine system stability, and Bode plots help visualize their effects.

Effects of Feedback on Pole Behavior

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Now, let's talk about feedback's influence on pole locations. What happens to poles when feedback is applied?

Student 1
Student 1

Do they shift to higher frequencies?

Teacher
Teacher

Exactly! Feedback can move poles like p to p' due to the equation p' = p(1 + Ξ²A).

Student 2
Student 2

What if p is greater than the values affected by feedback?

Teacher
Teacher

Great insight! If p is dominant, it will likely remain a real pole. Otherwise, we can get complex poles.

Student 3
Student 3

What does that mean for the system's response?

Teacher
Teacher

It affects oscillations and can create overshoot in response to changes. Always remember: Dominance and proximity dictate pole behavior!

Student 4
Student 4

Can you give us a brief recap before we end?

Teacher
Teacher

Sure! Feedback shifts poles impacting system dynamics, leading to the distinction between real and complex poles.

Comparison of Case II-A and Case II-B

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Let’s compare two cases we've discussed, II-A and II-B. What were the key differences?

Student 1
Student 1

In II-A, poles were far apart, leading to distinct behaviors, right?

Teacher
Teacher

Exactly! And in II-B, the poles are closer, leading to potential complex conjugate pairing.

Student 3
Student 3

What happens if the poles collide?

Teacher
Teacher

That’s where we see significant changes in system stability and response. This could result in oscillatory behavior.

Student 2
Student 2

So, how do we analyze this in practice?

Teacher
Teacher

We use stability criteria and Bode plots to visualize and predict behavior changes. Remember the acronym STABLE to keep these concepts clear!

Student 4
Student 4

Could you summarize the session?

Teacher
Teacher

In summary: II-A has distinct poles while II-B can lead to complex pairs. Monitoring interactions is key to analyzing feedback systems.

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Quick Overview

This section discusses the effects of feedback on the frequency response of analog electronic circuits, particularly focusing on the location of poles and their implications for system stability and behavior.

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The section explores how feedback impacts the frequency response of circuits by emphasizing the role of poles in determining system behavior. It analyzes different cases where poles can be real or complex conjugates based on feedback conditions, along with Bode plot representations.

Detailed

In this section, titled Effect of Feedback on Frequency Response (Part-B), the location of poles in feedback systems and their significance for system stability are critically examined. Feedback can lead to different pole arrangements depending on the design of the circuit which ultimately influences the frequency response. The author discusses several conditions, including cases in which poles are dominant or interact closely, leading to complex conjugate poles. The illustrative Bode plots help in visualizing these changes and underscore how system behavior varies with feedback. Theoretical discussions are paired with practical implications, illustrating the balance between feedback gain and the strategic positioning of poles.

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Understanding Feedback and Poles

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Welcome back after the short break. So before the break, we are talking about the location of the pole of the feedback system. And as you can see here, the condition and in fact, I should have taken this p even beyond this location of pβ€² for a clearer picture. So, if I consider say, p it is even beyond this point.

Detailed Explanation

In this chunk, we are reintroducing the topic of feedback systems and the concept of poles. Poles are critical frequencies in a control system where the output response behavior drastically changes. We discuss the location of the pole 'p' relative to another pole 'pβ€².' Understanding these positions helps us analyze how feedback affects system stability and response. When discussing poles, the visualization helps clarify the shift of 'p' in relation to 'pβ€²,' and it’s important to note the significance of these positions.

Examples & Analogies

Think of a seesaw. The location of the pivot (which represents the pole) affects how easily one side can tip down or up. If the pivot is too close to one end (like pole pβ€²), the seesaw will not balance well when weights (elements of a feedback system) are added, demonstrating instability.

Characteristics of Poles

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So here we do have that situation. So first of all, forward amplifier it is having 2 poles; p1 and p2, Ξ² is independent of frequency and the system of course, it is β€’ve feedback system. And we consider p1; it is lower frequency than p2 which means that p1 is referred as dominant pole.

Detailed Explanation

In this second chunk, we explore the characteristics of the poles in a feedback system. A 'dominant pole' is the one that has the greatest impact on the system's behavior, particularly at lower frequencies. The presence of two poles in the forward amplifier enhances our understanding of how frequency response is affected when feedback is applied. Here, 'Ξ²' denotes the feedback factor, which does not change with frequency and is essential in understanding the gain dynamics.

Examples & Analogies

Imagine driving a car on a hilly road. The dominant pole is like the engine of the car. If the engine is powerful (dominant pole), it can easily take the car up steep hills (lower frequency behavior) compared to a less powerful engine (the second pole). Thus, how well the car performs is largely dependent on its engine (the dominant pole) at lower speeds.

Approximation and Analysis of Poles

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Now while we will be doing the approximation of this equation, we can consider this case. And we may say that instead of really considering this part, let we completely ignore this part to have a meaningful conclusion. So what we are doing is, we are retaining this part and we are keeping this part here, but this part since it is very small compared to this one, we may drop this part.

Detailed Explanation

In this chunk, we delve into the analytical process involving approximations made during calculations. By neglecting smaller terms compared to dominant terms, we simplify the analysis without losing significant accuracy. This helps us focus on the primary effects of the poles and understand the relationships between them. In feedback systems, simplifications like these are common to make complex equations manageable and easier to interpret.

Examples & Analogies

Consider a recipe that serves 100 people, but you're only serving 10. If the recipe calls for 1 cup of salt but you've only a pinch left, you’d focus on the amount required (the dominating ingredient) and ignore the insignificant pinch (the smaller terms). This is how we simplify equations in electronics to focus on the more impactful elements.

Bode Plot and Complex Poles

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So, if I say that if p2 > p1, then we can get this part it is real. On the other hand, if it is less, then this part it will be imaginary. And then what we will be getting is that both p1 and p2, they are complex and incidentally, they are complex conjugate also.

Detailed Explanation

In this chunk, we discuss the implications of the relative position of poles on their natureβ€”whether they result in real or complex values. Essentially, if one pole is greater than another, we expect the poles to be real. Conversely, if the conditions reverse, we yield complex conjugate poles. The behavior of these poles is crucial, as complex poles can indicate an oscillatory response in the system, affecting stability and performance.

Examples & Analogies

Imagine tuning a guitar. If the strings are tightly tuned (poles are far apart), you get a clear note (real poles). But if the strings are too close or loose (poles close to each other), they may produce a wavering sound (complex conjugate poles). Thus, understanding the positioning of poles helps determine if the system will behave stably or not.

Phase Response and Feedback System Behavior

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So let me try to sketch the Bode plot of A, A and maybe the loop gain also. So let me start with A. So if I consider this A in dB and then if we plot against Ο‰ in log scale again.

Detailed Explanation

In this chunk, we turn to visualizing system behavior through a Bode plot, which allows us to see how gain and phase change with frequency. Drawing plots for the forward amplifier gain 'A,' loop gain, and their interactions gives us insights into how feedback systems respond over a range of frequencies. Observing changes in phase and gain helps with understanding system stability and response characteristics in real-world applications.

Examples & Analogies

Think of the Bode plot as a mountain hiker's map. The elevation shows how steep the path is (gain) and where to prepare for sharp turns (phase change). Just like hikers depend on maps to navigate challenging terrain, engineers use Bode plots to understand and design electronic systems that need to perform optimally and respond appropriately to inputs.

Definitions & Key Concepts

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Key Concepts

  • Poles determine system stability and frequency response.

  • Feedback shifts pole locations and can lead to complex poles.

  • Bode plots visualize the frequency response and pole interactions.

Examples & Real-Life Applications

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Examples

  • Consider a feedback amplifier with a single dominant pole at a low frequency; as feedback is applied, the pole location shifts to higher frequencies.

  • An amplifier circuit with two closely spaced poles can create oscillatory behavior if feedback is not properly accounted for.

Memory Aids

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🎡 Rhymes Time

  • Poles and feedback, watch them play, shifting locations every day.

πŸ“– Fascinating Stories

  • Imagine a conductor guiding an orchestra; the poles are musicians learning feedback dynamics to find harmony.

🧠 Other Memory Gems

  • Remember: FOCUS - Feedback, Oscillation, Complexity, Uncertainty, Stability.

🎯 Super Acronyms

STABLE for Stability in the 'S' plane, Transfer functions marking gain, Bode plots showing frequency reign.

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Glossary of Terms

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  • Term: Pole

    Definition:

    A value in the s-domain that affects the stability and frequency response of a system.

  • Term: Feedback

    Definition:

    A process where a portion of the output is fed back to the input to control system behavior.

  • Term: Bode Plot

    Definition:

    A graphical representation of a system's frequency response showing gain and phase against frequency.

  • Term: Complex Conjugate Poles

    Definition:

    Pairs of poles with complex values that often arise in underdamped systems, impacting oscillation.

  • Term: Dominant Pole

    Definition:

    The pole in a system that has the most significant influence on the system's behavior.