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Understanding Pole Locations

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Today, we’ll investigate how the location of poles impacts the behavior of feedback systems. Let’s start by discussing what poles are in relation to a transfer function.

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Are poles just where the function goes to infinity?

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Exactly! Poles are the values of s that make the denominator of a transfer function zero. They are crucial because they influence the system's stability and response.

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What happens if we have both real and complex poles?

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Good question! If poles are real, they can lead to different types of natural response. However, when poles are complex conjugates, they introduce oscillatory behavior. Remember, the location of these poles often dictates if our system is stable or not. A useful mnemonic is 'DOMINANT POLE' for the pole that governs the system's behavior.

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So dominant poles are more influential?

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Yes! Dominant poles generally dictate the system’s response. Let’s proceed to discuss how feedback can shift these poles.

Feedback and Pole Locations

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Feedback affects the location of the poles due to changes in gain A and the feedback factor β. Can anyone tell me the effects of increasing feedback?

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It should theoretically stabilize the system, right?

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Exactly! Increased feedback can push poles into more stable configurations. The expression p' = p(1 + βA) reflects such changes. A helpful acronym here is 'SPLIT' for how feedback might split pole locations in complex systems.

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Student 1

Does that mean if poles get too close, they might become complex?

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Yes, precisely! When poles are close or converge, they can emerge as a complex conjugate pair, which changes the system’s response significantly.

Bode Plots and System Response

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Bode plots are essential for visualizing the gain and phase of feedback systems. Can someone elaborate on their significance?

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They help visualize how the system behaves over a range of frequencies.

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Correct! The corner frequencies where poles shift help indicate stability. The term 'CROSSING POINT' can help you remember key frequencies.

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Student 3

What kind of behavior should we expect from complex poles on the plot?

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Great question! Complex poles lead to overshoot and resonance, making our response more oscillatory—in contrast to stable real poles which would lead to a smoother response.

Introduction & Overview

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Quick Overview

This section discusses the impact of feedback on the frequency response of analog electronic circuits, focusing on pole location and stability.

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The section delves into how the placement of poles in feedback systems influences the frequency response, particularly through various cases demonstrating real and complex conjugate poles. Understanding these concepts is crucial for analyzing system stability and performance.

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Detailed Summary

This section of Analog Electronic Circuits primarily addresses the effect of feedback on the frequency response of systems, particularly in relation to pole locations. Feedback systems can significantly alter the behavior of poles, impacting the stability and performance of circuits.

Key Points

  1. Pole Locations: The section introduces different cases based on the proximity of poles, specifically focusing on dominant poles related to feedback systems.
  2. Real vs. Complex Poles: It explains conditions under which poles remain real or become complex conjugates, evaluating scenarios where feedback may push poles close enough to affect system dynamics.
  3. Bode Plots: The discussion includes plotting gain and phase responses, highlighting how these graphical representations can reveal insights into system behavior during various operating conditions.
  4. Stability Analysis: The implications of pole locations on overall system stability are emphasized, providing essential knowledge for understanding feedback systems in general.

As we progress through this content, it will become increasingly clear how these concepts serve as foundational elements in the design and analysis of analog electronic systems.

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Comparison of Poles

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So in the next slide we are going to compare the location of poles. So we like to compare location of poles for these two cases.

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In this section, we focus on comparing the location of poles in different scenarios (case II-A and case II-B). We look at how the positions of the poles in the forward amplifier circuit influence the behavior of the feedback system. Poles can greatly affect the stability and frequency response of a circuit.

Examples & Analogies

Think of poles in a circuit like the supports of a bridge. If the supports (poles) are too close together, the bridge may sway or even collapse under stress, leading to instability. However, if they are positioned correctly, the bridge remains strong and stable.

Dominance of Poles

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In fact, we prefer this condition rather than this condition. Now suppose, we do have a case where A is having only one pole and suppose, the feedback network β is having another pole and then what it may happen?

Detailed Explanation

This part discusses the preferable conditions for pole arrangement. It describes a scenario where one pole from the forward amplifier and another from the feedback network is considered. The dominant pole in the feedback system affects how the overall circuit behaves, especially in terms of stability and response to changes.

Examples & Analogies

Imagine a seesaw with weights placed at different points. If one weight is too heavy or placed too far from the center, it will tip easily. However, if the weights (poles) are balanced correctly, the seesaw (system) will behave predictably and smoothly.

Understanding Zeroes and Poles

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So I can say that A, it is having frequency independent part, it is having this factor representing a 0.

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In this chunk, we discuss the presence of zero points in relation to the poles in the circuit. It is important to distinguish between poles (which can cause instability) and zeros (which can stabilize). Their positions also contribute to the overall behavior of the feedback system.

Examples & Analogies

Consider driving a car where the accelerator (zero) can help maintain speed (stability) while brakes (poles) can slow you down (cause instability). The skill lies in managing both to ensure a smooth drive.

Importance of UGF

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So below the UGF the feedback system gain, it is approximately...

Detailed Explanation

This section emphasizes the significance of the unity gain frequency (UGF). The behavior of the system is defined differently below and above this frequency, which is crucial for analyzing stability and designing circuits.

Examples & Analogies

Think of UGF like a critical point in cooking—like boiling water. Below boiling, water (the system) remains stable and predictable. Above boiling, the reaction changes dramatically, much like how system behavior alters past the UGF.

Key Concepts

  • Pole: The points where the system's transfer function becomes infinite, impacting response and stability.

  • Feedback: The process of returning part of the output back to the input to control system behavior.

  • Complex Conjugate Poles: Indicate oscillatory behavior in systems and can arise from closely spaced real poles.

Examples & Applications

Example 1: If a system has poles at -3 and -10, it is stable since both poles are real and in the left half-plane.

Example 2: A feedback system with poles at -3 ± 4j will exhibit oscillatory behavior due to the presence of complex conjugate poles.

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In the feedback loop, we find the poles, in left and right, they guide our roles.

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Imagine an engineer at a feedback control board watching how a car accelerates with poles determining the smoothness of the ride.

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Use 'FAST' to remember: Feedback Adjusts Stability Through poles.

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Acronyms

POSS

Poles Over Stability Systems show how to manage system stability.

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Glossary

Pole

A point in the complex frequency domain where the transfer function becomes infinite, significantly affecting system stability and response.

Feedback

A process in which a portion of output signal is fed back into the system input, impacting system behavior and stability.

Stable System

A system where poles are located in the left half of the complex plane resulting in a bounded output for bounded input.

Complex Conjugate Poles

Pairs of poles with the same real parts but imaginary parts equal in magnitude and opposite in sign, resulting in oscillatory behavior.

Bode Plot

A graphical representation of a system's frequency response plotted as gain and phase against frequency on a logarithmic scale.

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