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Feedback Influence on Two Poles

95.3.2 - Feedback Influence on Two Poles

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Introduction to Feedback Systems

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Welcome, everyone! Today we will explore feedback systems in amplifiers. Can anyone explain what a feedback system is?

Student 1
Student 1

It's a way of using the output of a system to influence its input.

Teacher
Teacher Instructor

Exactly! Feedback allows us to stabilize and control the gain. How do you think feedback affects an amplifier?

Student 2
Student 2

It could change the gain or make it more stable.

Teacher
Teacher Instructor

Right! We will discuss how it can affect pole placements in the next part of our session.

Teacher
Teacher Instructor

The acronym 'GAINS' can help remember these points: G for Gain, A for Amplifier, I for Influence of Feedback, N for Negative Feedback, S for Stability.

Teacher
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Let’s summarize: feedback systems are crucial for amplifier behavior, ensuring stability and control. Moving forward, we’ll delve into how the position of poles alters with feedback.

Analyzing Poles in Feedback Systems

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Now, who can tell me what poles refer to in our discussions?

Student 3
Student 3

Poles are the frequencies where the output of the system behaves differently, especially at critical points.

Teacher
Teacher Instructor

Exactly! And in feedback systems, the location of these poles can shift. If we have one pole, can anyone tell me how we can express the effect of feedback mathematically?

Student 4
Student 4

It relates to how the gain changes with respect to the pole’s new position.

Teacher
Teacher Instructor

Well said! Remember, the location of the pole shifts due to the feedback factor, represented by A(s) and β(s). This shift can stabilize the system.

Teacher
Teacher Instructor

To help you recall this, think of 'PULSE': P for Pole, U for Update, L for Location, S for Shift, E for Effect.

Teacher
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So to summarize, feedback changes the pole location, influencing the system's stability. Next, let's talk about multiple poles.

Effects of Multiple Poles

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When we deal with systems that have multiple poles, how do we expect the behavior to change?

Student 2
Student 2

There might be more complexity in the response and stability could be harder to achieve.

Teacher
Teacher Instructor

Absolutely! The interaction between multiple poles can complicate the system's behavior. For example, if we have two poles, one might remain at its position while the other's location shifts significantly.

Student 1
Student 1

So, the design must consider how these poles interact?

Teacher
Teacher Instructor

Exactly! It’s essential for ensuring system stability. To aid your recall, consider the phrase 'BALANCE': B for Behavior, A for Amplifier, L for Location, A for All, N for Need Shift, C for Control, E for Effect.

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In summary, we have to manage how multiple poles interact under feedback, as it can drastically alter system performance. Now, let's look deeper into the loop gain.

Loop Gain and Stability

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Loop gain is an important factor. Can anyone explain what we mean by loop gain in feedback systems?

Student 4
Student 4

Is it the gain of the output feedback loop that affects the overall system gain?

Teacher
Teacher Instructor

Correct! Loop gain can indicate how the feedback will stabilize or destabilize the amplifier. It is represented mathematically as A(s)β(s).

Student 3
Student 3

So, if loop gain is high, can we expect improved stability?

Teacher
Teacher Instructor

Yes, but there’s a balancing act involved. Too high of a loop gain can lead to instability. Remember the phrase 'GREAT': G for Gain, R for Risk of Overload, E for Effect on Stability, A for Amplifier, T for Tuning.

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To recap, managing loop gain is critical to ensuring stability. Moving forward, we'll examine real-world effects of feedback on amplifier systems.

Real-world Applications

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Let’s connect our discussion to real-world applications. How might the feedback influence help in practical scenarios?

Student 1
Student 1

It helps design amplifiers that are stable and have predictable behavior.

Teacher
Teacher Instructor

Correct! For example, in audio systems, feedback is used to correct any distortion that occurs at higher volumes.

Student 4
Student 4

So, feedback is essential in ensuring quality sound reproduction?

Teacher
Teacher Instructor

Absolutely! Think of the acronym 'SOUND': S for Stability, O for Output, U for Uniformity, N for Noise Reduction, D for Distortion Correction.

Teacher
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In summary, feedback is vital for maintaining quality in amplifier design. As we conclude this session, remember how feedback impacts both performance and stability.

Introduction & Overview

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This section discusses the impact of feedback on the frequency response of amplifiers, focusing on how feedback alters pole locations in the feedback system.

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In this section, the focus is on how feedback influences the frequency response and pole location in amplifiers. The text explores cases with varying number of poles in both the forward amplifier and feedback network, examining implications for stability and system behavior under negative feedback.

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Feedback Influence on Two Poles

In this section, we delve into how feedback networks impact the frequency response of amplifiers, specifically discussing the influence of pole locations on the system behavior. Feedback loops can modify not only the gain but also the stability of the amplifier circuits. We begin by recapping what makes up an amplifier and feedback system, emphasizing the importance of understanding pole locations.

Main Discussion Points:

  1. Feedback Configuration Types: We look at negative feedback and how it is characterized by phase shift and stability under DC conditions.
  2. Pole Influence: A variety of cases are considered based on the number of poles in the forward amplifier and feedback network. For instance:
  3. Single Pole System: Exploring the effects when a single pole from the amplifier shifts due to feedback influence.
  4. Multiple Poles: Discussing situations with two or more poles and how these interact to affect overall system performance.
  5. Loop Gain: The feedback's impact is encapsulated in the feedback system transfer function, showing how loop gain relates directly to pole location changes and gain stability.

Significance in Circuit Design:

Understanding these principles is crucial for designing stable, reliable amplifiers in practical applications. The modifications introduced by feedback allow for fine control over amplifier characteristics, enhancing performance in desired ways.

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Introduction to Feedback Influence

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Now, let us come to the first case before we go into the first case again we like to recapitulate what we have discussed. In fact, we have discussed this kind of situation where this is the forward amplifier, this is the feedback network and then, we do have signal mixture and then we do have signal sampler.

Detailed Explanation

In this introductory chunk, the speaker is recapping previous discussions about feedback systems. It sets up the context for the current examination of how feedback impacts the frequency response of amplifiers. The forward amplifier, feedback network, and signal analysis are the core elements being discussed, establishing a foundational understanding for students.

Examples & Analogies

Consider a feedback system in a car’s cruise control. The car’s speed sensor provides feedback to adjust the throttle. Just like in analog circuits, the feedback influences the system's response, maintaining a steady speed.

Exploring Case I: One Pole in Feedback System

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So, to start with let you consider case I, what we have in this situation it is yeah. So, when you say case I we assume that β it is independent of frequency. So we can say that β is remaining constant and in the system, it is −ve feedback system in DC condition and let you consider that forward amplifier it is having a transfer function which is having only one pole.

Detailed Explanation

In this segment, the situation is narrowed down to Case I where the feedback factor β is treated as constant, allowing for a simpler analysis. The forward amplifier is defined to have only one pole, which simplifies the calculations and predictions about how feedback affects amplifier performance. Understanding this setup is crucial for recognizing more complex scenarios later.

Examples & Analogies

Imagine a single pulley system where strings guide a load; the load only moves in response to the force applied—in this case, the constant feedback. Just like pulley systems, the feedback will influence how the amplifier behaves in response to input signals, determining gain stability.

Transfer Function Under Feedback

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Now, if you recall that the feedback system transfer function assuming it is having a minus sign here it is and A(s) it is given here and β is independent of frequency.

Detailed Explanation

This chunk focuses on the mathematical representation of the feedback system through the transfer function, emphasizing the role of negative feedback in the analysis. The key takeaway is the understanding that the system can be described mathematically, which is essential for predicting behavior when feedback is applied.

Examples & Analogies

Think of the transfer function as a recipe where the ingredients (A and β) must be combined just right to produce the desired dish (the amplifier’s output). The negative feedback is like adjusting a recipe based on taste—balancing flavors to achieve a perfect meal.

Impact of the Pole on System Dynamics

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So, as I say that in this case this is and this is independent of frequency, this is also independent of frequency which means that the location of the p′ it is clearly it is a shifted version of this p.

Detailed Explanation

In this section, the effect of feedback on the pole location (shifting from p to p′) is discussed. This shift is significant as it indicates how feedback alters the response characteristics of an amplifier, affecting stability and bandwidth. Understanding this shift is key to mastering feedback principles in circuit design.

Examples & Analogies

Consider a car racing on a curvy track—the pole p represents the original track layout, while the pole p′ is the modified route after making adjustments based on feedback from the car's performance. Adjustments can improve speed and control, illustrating how feedback shapes outcomes.

Conclusion and Graphical Representation

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So, we can say from this point onwards A it is following A in other words we can say that it is having a bend and this bend it is imposing a pole incidentally that is what this p′ and this p′ it is p(1 + βA).

Detailed Explanation

The concluding statements clarify that, post-bend in the gain plot, the feedback system's behavior aligns with the original amplifier's characteristics along with the shifted pole. This concept is vital for understanding how feedback modifies frequency response and introduces the critical insight that gain and bandwidth products remain consistent.

Examples & Analogies

Imagine learning to ride a bike—initially, you might encounter bumps that cause wobbles (the bend), but as you adjust and maintain balance, you start gliding smoothly (following the original track). Feedback and practice reshape your biking experience, similar to how circuits adapt through feedback.

Key Concepts

  • Feedback System: A mechanism that affects system input via output.

  • Poles: Critical frequencies altering system behavior and stability.

  • Loop Gain: Essential for evaluating feedback stability and performance.

Examples & Applications

In audio amplifier design, feedback is used to enhance sound quality by reducing distortion.

In operational amplifiers, manipulating feedback values can control gain and improve stability.

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Rhymes

In feedback systems, we strive to maintain, Stability’s the goal, minimizing the pain.

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Stories

Imagine an audio engineer adjusting levels; feedback is their tool to prevent distortion while ensuring clarity in the soundscape.

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Memory Tools

Remember 'GAINS': Gain, Amplifier, Influence, Negative, Stability.

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Acronyms

Use 'PULSE' for Poles, Update, Location, Shift, Effect in feedback contexts.

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Glossary

Feedback System

A system structure where the output influences the input, often used to control stability and gain.

Poles

Specific frequencies at which the system's output deviates significantly, influencing overall behavior.

Loop Gain

The product of the forward gain and feedback factor in a feedback network.

Nyquist Stability Criterion

A method used to determine the stability of a feedback system based on its frequency response.

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